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September 4, 2009
Open Thread: Mets vs Cubs, 9/4/2009
247 Responses to “Open Thread: Mets vs Cubs, 9/4/2009”Leave a ReplyYou must be logged in to post a comment. «« Josh Th♥le |
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Did the Braves lose tonight? is that why?
Where’s the large sample that suggests he will succeed in the bigs? The 95 games at AA? The guy was never on anyone’s blue chip list.
I like him. I enjoy watching him play. I’m willing to be patient with unproven prospects who aren’t blue-chippers. I’m not willing to hand them jobs on $130m clubs with glaring holes at major offensive positions.
ding, ding, ding…hand this guy a cigar! Exactly, cp!
they lost tonight but they never disagree with Cox.
Escobar may be out for a few games too. he got hurt
There isn’t any.
Thats the whole point.
You guys are writing him off after one year and I’m saying you shouldnt because we still don’t have enough on him.
Murphy needs to spend another season in AAA.
What are they complaining about?
folks. im craving something sweet and friday nights is the only night i allow myself one thing sweet. gonna go to sonic. might be back, might not.
so the .871 ops last year we write off…….after all small sample right?
but the .710 ops…..thats real for some reason.
sonic just opened one up around here…….good stuff lol
I want Adrian Gonzalez playing 1B for the Amazins next season! I’ve already started the petition.
If all healthy
SS Jose Reyes
2B Luis Castillo
3B David Wright
1B Adrian Gonzalez
CF Carlos Beltran
RF Jeff Francoeur
LF Angel Pagan/F-Mart
C Omir Santos/Josh Thole
Is a competitive lineup!
i dont think anyone seriously wants murph starting at 1st on opening day next year
Why would Frenchy ever hit anywhere but 8th?
Murphy’s minor league walk rate: 8.9% - his big league walk rate so far: 8.8%
Is he really going to improve that dramatically?
DW as a big leaguer: 11.6%.
Adam Dunn as a big leaguer: 17.2%
as long as beltran, reyes and wright are in the lineup and stay healthy it will be decent
exactly. No one is saying that at all. I’m not even sure where that came from.
I said they could get by if they got power for another position but even I didnt say I wanted him at first.
john, no one is writing him off. you’re overreacting. we’re simply saying he is not an everyday 1st baseman on a championship team at the moment. If you have power hitters around him to cover the slack, you can deal with it. The mets don’t. You’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole because you like him. it doesn’t work that way.
2008 - 131 ABs
2009 - 420 and counting
Neither are conclusive but when you combine them his ops as abig leaguer is about .749
Even if he doesn’t have power, he could succeed. But he needs to hit a shit-ton more doubles and raise his BA.
And his walk rate.
We arent a championship team tho to begin with lol.
But again Im not saying play him at first.
I simply said if we added power, that the mets could get by……..IF IF IF lol
The difference between 131 in 420 in the grand scheme of things isnt alot.
All I’m saying is give him more abs and more times.
Or if we could teach him to play second base.
john, what do you think he’ll become…..numbers wise. I’m curious.
This is where the need for a solid player evaluation team is the difference between winning and losing. It’s one thing to nuture young players through growing pains - it’s another to be the Pirates running AAA guys out night after night. I wish I had confidence that Omar had a clue about player evaluation.
He’s not playing 2nd. Get over it. The guy is not terribly athletic. Why does everyone keep asking this? it’s ridiculous. Square peg/ round hole. Move on!
Adrian Gonzalez and John Lackey (unless there is a bidding war for him) would be my Met offseason targets.
BINGO!
DOUBLE BINGO!
TRIPLE BINGO!
What are you giving up for Gonzalez, Super T. he sure won’t be cheap. And trust me, they don’t want Murphy.
I’m saying the only way he finds a place as a starter is if he plays second base. Or magically learns how to catch. Otherwise he’s never going to be a starter unless he magically gets a lot more power.
It makes me nuts. You would think this guy was hitting .340 with 40 hr power that everyone is dying to get him into the lineup! he’s currently nothing but a bench player….please!
I think Mets management are the only people who think he is a starter, Shea.
Why wouldn’t they want Murphy, Shea?
I’m not sure. I do think him and Thole’s path are similar in that they dont hit for power but hit for average and have good plate discipline. I don’t think its unreasonable for guys like that to be or become .300 hitters with good OBP.
But usually……thats not good enough for first. We’re just gonna have to see what happens.
I do think it would be wrong of us to not give him that opportunity
They’d be awesome but I’d guess that Lackey will generate a bidding war that makes him more expensive than Lowe was. AGone would cost pretty much all the farm. Arguably best in the league at his position AND priced well below market.
the padres are gonna want more than that for agonz
We havent even tried him at 2B FWIW……and he looks awfully good at 1b right now.
Why the heck would we give up Davis and Meija? That’s a lot for us to give up with our system.
I’d only do it if Adrian would sign a significant extension…and even then, we’re probably not going to win next year anyways, why destroy our future right now?
We should prep for 2011.
Oh, and Jayson Stark’s column bashing us was so ridiculously stupid I am still mad. Sorry if that’s delayed but I was in Maine with limited internet access.
shoot i gtg to bed lol.
later alls lol
You’re not giving them bench players for Gonzalez. They want legit prospects.
I think you’ve got to add a Niese or Holt or FMart to that package to get AGone. He’s a monster who only costs $4.75m om 2010 & $5.5m in 2011.
The question is how do we do that? Trade vets for blue chippers? Give the Niese’s Parnell’s Murphy’s Thole’s Pagans jobs to see who develops and who stumbles? It’s really an either or and that’s novel ground for Omar.
Gonzalez is exactly what the team needs. A DEPENDABLE masher for 1B who can be inserted right in the middle of our lineup and take pressure off the likes of David Wright and company.
I didn’t know Gonzalez was going to play LF, make Frenchy competent at the plate, and pitch so well we won’t need a 2nd or 3rd starters.
He’s exactly what we need. But we have a lot of holes.
He would be a sweet fit but would probably gut us of at least 2 of our top pitching prospects so we’d need to sink a big chunk of change into the rotation. Is that kind of dough available?
If he can hit HRs out of Petco park, he can hit HRs out of Citifield.
I think 2010 probably boils down to one thing: if 2 of Ollie, Maine, Pelfrey don’t turn into legit #3’s we’re fucked.
Of course that assumes both Beltran and Jose come back completely healthy which Dep doesn’t see as likely. I think it’s a coin flip - we could just easily get lucky as we could get screwed.