Comment posted byNickon June 7, 2008 at 12:41 am (#719570)
Premio. When do we leave the whale’s vagina?
Comment posted byDave in Spainon June 7, 2008 at 2:59 am (#719616)
Huh???
Comment posted byDave in Spainon June 7, 2008 at 3:01 am (#719617)
SAN DIEGO — Concern within the Mets’ clubhouse for Ryan Church increased on Friday night when, for the second time in three games, the team’s regular right fielder was excluded from the starting lineup and later, when Church told Willie Randolph he was unable to pinch-hit. While Church explained his situation as “just wasn’t able to [pinch-] hit,” a teammate said Church still was suffering with symptoms of vertigo.
Teammates are worried for him and, one said, hopeful he will be assigned to the disabled list and given an extended opportunity to recover.
Comment posted byDave in Spainon June 7, 2008 at 3:16 am (#719618)
Ted Berg:
“Here’s the short list of players who were hitting better than Abraham Nunez in New Orleans: Everybody.”
Comment posted byNjMFon June 7, 2008 at 7:41 am (#719619)
Bad news for Church ;(
The Mets are a 500 team if they are lucky..
Comment posted byNickon June 7, 2008 at 8:51 am (#719621)
Huh???
(Means San Diego)
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 10:06 am (#719623)
As some of us feared, it certainly looks like the Mets have mishandled the Ryan Church situation. I hope we’re wrong, but this certainly doesn’t sound good.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 11:26 am (#719624)
the mets royally fucked up ryan church.
congrats idiots.
and ow.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 11:30 am (#719625)
I’m sure Benson was mr. innocent on that boating incident!
Bears RB Cedric Benson was arrested and charged with drunken driving in downtown Austin, Texas.
Benson was stopped for a traffic violation and refused a breathalyzer and blood test. On the heels of Benson’s BWI incident, the rogue running back may be more trouble than he’s worth to the Bears. It’s going to be tough to overlook the continued off the field woes of a player who has also been underwhelming on the field. Jun. 7 - 10:36 am et
Source: Austin American-Statesman
The Tatis experiment is over. The carriage has turned back into a pumpkin. He can’t field and now he can’t hit. Back to AAA.
Luis Castillo needs to be benched for one game but Willie won’t do it because Luis is a vet. But that was one of the laziest plays I have seen all season and I saw it happening right from the get go.
Before the game I chatted with two people: 1) Mike Pelfrey. I talked to him about Wichita State hanging on to beat Florida State, and how he had gutted through last night and I thought pitched well enough to win. He shrugged his shoulders and laughed when I told him how nervous I got in the bottom of the ninth as Florida State mounted their comeback. I came back later (he was talking to friends behind home plate and asked if he would sign a ball for my brother. It was very nice of him and he did so.
2) Heath Bell. I talked to him about how I wished he was still a Met and he said and I quote “blame your manager.” I then said, “and Rick Peterson?” and Heath Bell laughed and rolled his eyes to show his displeasure. You can tell there is no love lost between Heath and Rick. Just like several years before Aaron Harang also told me about how he didn’t like Rick Peterson at all. It’s Rick’s way or the highway. He looked dominant last night.
3) This team isn’t very good and their plate approaches were terrible in many instances. It’s like they didn’t even look at the scouting reports: especially Delgado and the bottom of the order for Hoffman. You wonder how much longer HoJo is going to get…we didn’t give Rick Down this much leeway.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 11:32 am (#719627)
very cool future
i hope you had a good time despite the game’s suckiness
Comment posted byHubieon June 7, 2008 at 11:46 am (#719628)
Thanks for the info future. But lets not dump on Tatis too much. We can cut him a little slack.
Comment posted byJessicaon June 7, 2008 at 12:13 pm (#719629)
Tatis is currently hitting .234/.275/.340 … which makes him the best hitter on our bench (not counting backup catchers) by a frighteningly wide margin.
Comment posted bySimonson June 7, 2008 at 12:39 pm (#719630)
So Rey Ordonez 2001 would be an upgrade for the bench. Any more good news?
Comment posted bytim from St.Lon June 7, 2008 at 1:22 pm (#719631)
You don’t fool around with concussions, a competitor like church, who seems to be a gamer and scrappy, will not have a governor on himself to keep himself out of the lineup. Seems he was rushed back.
Goin to see Dave Matthews at Busch Stadium tonight, should be fun. I will try to drink a beer everytime I see a college punk with a hollister T-shirt or a visor.
Comment posted by86Foreveron June 7, 2008 at 1:33 pm (#719633)
Church should be shut down for AT LEAST two weeks and re-evaluated then. I’m starting to get. Very afraid we may not see him again for a long time. In many ways, he’s arguably been our best player (along with Wright), and it’s sad to see this situation develop. The goal now (as it should have been two weeks ago) is to think of his career, not the next game or week.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 2:05 pm (#719634)
This Dock Doyle kid knows how to hit imo. He has two singles and didn’t try to do too much on those swings. His last hit was through the 5-6 hole It was a low fastball that he took the other way. He has some speed for a backstop. His team is outmatched but he doesn’t look like he is
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 2:31 pm (#719635)
future, j.d.: i love your post. i am crack-assicted to the slightest real inside info thank you
Comment posted byAthenaon June 7, 2008 at 2:35 pm (#719636)
That’s cool, Chris. Thanks for posting it!
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 2:55 pm (#719637)
Another single for doyle. Liner to center. Talking about him right now. He is very vocal and charismatic. A good defender.
I’m trying to think of who he reminds me of. I think we made a good pick with him.
Comment posted by86Foreveron June 7, 2008 at 2:59 pm (#719639)
Dock Doyle. Private Eye.
This Fall. Only on FOX.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:11 pm (#719641)
Carp’s stats from AA Binghampton:
OBP .409 SLG .535 OPS.944
When will he be moved up to AAA New Orleans?
Comment posted byAthenaon June 7, 2008 at 3:13 pm (#719643)
Dock Doyle. Private Eye.
This Fall. Only on FOX.
Exactly!
Post Headline:
Just what the Dock Ordered!
Comment posted byLunkwill Fookon June 7, 2008 at 3:16 pm (#719644)
I worry a little about Carp’s lack of power in May but all the other things are there (average + patience) and he’s cut down on his strike outs. I don’t think it would be a HORRIBLY panicked move to try him out in AAA since he essentially got half a season in AA last year….
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 3:25 pm (#719645)
Dock Doyle now 3 for 4 with a walk. Took a close pitch for a ball to start the last ab.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:25 pm (#719646)
I don’t think it would be a HORRIBLY panicked move to try him out in AAA since he essentially got half a season in AA last year….
He had an off May but has been on fire this June with a 1.545 OPS for the month in 19 abs. Basically, I think its time to move him up sooner than later for a myriad of reasons. He will be 22 by the end of June, so he will be old enough. We just drafted Ike Davis anyways so he will be behind him and ready to be in Binghampton sooner than later with the way the Mets seem to want to rush him out of college. And lastly and most importantly, Carpy has a near season (146 games, 544 abs) of experience in AA ball already. Jay Bruce only had 16 games and 66 abs of ball in AA Chattqa for the Reds when he was moved up at 20/21 years of age. So then why can’t Carpy be moved up to New Orleans?
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 3:29 pm (#719647)
BIG RED HUNGRY
Why can’t we just skip AAA all-together and see if can beat out old man delgado!?!??!? :-p
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 3:30 pm (#719648)
Surely you jest? You’re not really comparing Mike Carp to Jay Bruce….are you?
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:32 pm (#719649)
Surely you jest? You’re not really comparing Mike Carp to Jay Bruce….are you?
Oh no! I compared the lowly Mike Carp to great a mighty second coming of Ted Williams himself–Jay Bruce!
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm (#719650)
Is the homefeild in Binghampton a hitters or pitcher’s park? I am curious. Does anyone know?
Comment posted byLunkwill Fookon June 7, 2008 at 3:36 pm (#719651)
Slight pitchers, I believe.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:38 pm (#719653)
The Mets should wait no longer than 16 games to move him up if he continues hot.
Then he will have a full season of games in Binghampton. Maybe he can still get around half a season of work in New Orleans and then another half plus in 08′ before a possible callup opportunity. Who’s with me?
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 3:38 pm (#719652)
this says its slightly plus to hitters for hits/doubles and slight to pitchers for HRs
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 3:39 pm (#719654)
I don’t recall ever referring to Jay Bruce as Ted Williams. You must have me confused with someone else ;-)
And the B Mets play in Binghamton, NY. Just want you to keep all the facts straight.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:43 pm (#719655)
Ok, thanks Lunk and Deppy. The reason I ask is because Carp’s SLG and OPS numbers are considerably better there (. 604/ 1.051 ) than they are on the road ( .477/ .853 ). Also, his power stats against lefties are still pretty weak (.479 SLG, OPS .808) compared to his power stats against righties (.566 SLG/ 1.015 OPS). I think he has platoon written all over him early in his career even if he called up next season after replicating his AA production in New Orleans. But he should be moved up sooner than later.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 3:44 pm (#719656)
Carp and Scooch in 09!!!!
:-p
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:47 pm (#719657)
don’t recall ever referring to Jay Bruce as Ted Williams. You must have me confused with someone else ;-)
I must have confused you with the rest of national media who also gasps sighs at the mention of his name with mere mortals….
And the B Mets play in Binghamton, NY. Just want you to keep all the facts straight.
Oh excuse me for the typo. The Binghamtom Mets.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:51 pm (#719658)
Carp and Scooch in 09!!!!
LOL! That sounds like a 70’s-80s cop drama rip off like Starsky and Hutch or Cagney and Lacey or Jake and the Fatman.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 3:54 pm (#719659)
LOL!!!
maybe one of them is an animal partner!
Carp: Book him Scooch!
Scooch: ROOF!
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 3:57 pm (#719660)
LOL!!!
maybe one of them is an animal partner!
Carp: Book him Scooch!
Scooch: ROOF!
Like Turner and Hooch? LOL! Willie can be the hardass chief who calls them into his office for bending the rules and bringing the commissioner and mayor’s office down on his back.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 3:58 pm (#719661)
hahahahaha, exactly. funny it rhymes. i didnt even realize that.
Comment posted byLunkwill Fookon June 7, 2008 at 4:04 pm (#719662)
I’ll take Carp hitting .800+ OPS against lefties any day of the week.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 4:08 pm (#719663)
I can’t even put Mike Carp in the same sentence as Joey Votto yet alone Jay Bruce. I have never seen Carp play in person but I haven’t heard anyone here who has seen him glow about the guy. He is just an ordinary prospect that happens to be at a position where we have a geratric patient filling right now. I say keep him in double A until he can put together 2 solid months back to back at the level then call him up to the big leagues. The competition is not at triple A in my opinion. Triple A is filled with 4 A players like the Andy Tracy’s of the world and a few washed up guys, sprinkled with a few prospects.
Comparing Carp to Bruce should end with they play baseball, are male and are americans. I don’t like how they have projected Bruce to be the next Williams but Jay Bruce never needed double A. I don’t think he needed triple A. He is a guy who is really just a natural hitter. Hopefully the hype doesnt mess him up
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 4:25 pm (#719664)
Ike Davis shouldn’t be intimidated by Citi Field.
The Mets’ top pick in the draft already was taking batting practice off Hall of Famer Goose Gossage at Yankee Stadium at 14 years old.
Davis’ father Ron was a big league reliever for 11 seasons, including from 1978 to 1981 as a Yankee. The elder Davis is a regular attendee at old timers’ games, including a scheduled appearance this Aug. 2 in the Bronx. Ike Davis even had a chance to hit in a cage with Derek Jeter and Tino Martinez as a teenager during one of those events.
“You always worry about people if they can play in New York,” said Ron Davis, now a baseball instructor in Phoenix. “His demeanor is such that I don’t believe it would bug him to play in New York. Some people can’t play in certain places. The
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 4:34 pm (#719667)
Comparing Carp to Bruce should end with they play baseball, are male and are americans.
lol, Chris!
Comment posted by86Foreveron June 7, 2008 at 4:39 pm (#719668)
Scooch is blocking the Carp’s ability to migrate north.
Hence, Death to Scoochie.
Comment posted by86Foreveron June 7, 2008 at 4:42 pm (#719669)
Future Post Headline:
Hitting on the Dock of the (Flushing) Bay.
Future brandy-based drink served at bars all over NYC: a Doyle Alexander.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 5:12 pm (#719670)
At the end of the day, I don’t hate Carp. I just don’t think he is a star waiting to happen.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 5:14 pm (#719671)
ST. Lucie’s team is depressing.
Comment posted bytim from St.Lon June 7, 2008 at 5:47 pm (#719672)
Belmont Picks
win Tale of Ekati
place Big Brwn
show Icabad Crane
I already suck at fantasy baseball, let’s see if I can add picking the ponies to the list.
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm (#719673)
competition is not at triple A in my opinion. Triple A is filled with 4 A players like the Andy Tracy’s of the world and a few washed up guys, sprinkled with a few prospects.
Then why did the Reds rush Jay Bruce up fast to develop in AAA then? They didn’t even wait more than 70 abs to move him through AA. I don’t see what Carp has left to prove in AA if he is still raking by around the last week of this month.
Comment posted bySuper Ton June 7, 2008 at 6:25 pm (#719674)
Wow, I just heard on one of the ESPN insiders that they think Matt Holiday will be traded by the All-Star break.
Think we could come up with package there?
Comment posted bySuper Ton June 7, 2008 at 6:26 pm (#719675)
How ’bout Church, Heilman, and a minor leaguer for Holliday?
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:32 pm (#719676)
that deal might actually makes the mets worse.
Comment posted byLunkwill Fookon June 7, 2008 at 6:35 pm (#719677)
No one thinks Carp is the next superstar. However, it’s look more and more like he could be a useful player, definitely a lefty bat that could platoon at 1st base and hit for enough average/power to bat in the 6th or 7th hole. Do we need much more than that?
Comment posted bySuper Ton June 7, 2008 at 6:39 pm (#719678)
How do you figure that Dep?
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:43 pm (#719679)
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:45 pm (#719680)
Holliday is not the superstar ppl think he is outside of coors, look at his road OPS the last few seasons, he had a huge year last year but outside of that. he’s average on the road.
in 2008 he’s right around his 5-year average road OPS of .770-.780
that’s the kind of production we’re gonna get from him in Shea, not the coors inflated stuff.
I honestly would rather have Church, i think he’s a better player or at least even.
and then you’re subtracting a bullpen arm as well, yes heils is not doing good, but he’s still an arm that would have to replaced.
thus i think that deal would make the mets worse.
Comment posted bySuper Ton June 7, 2008 at 6:48 pm (#719681)
I thought he was one of the exceptions when it came to home/road splits, but I just looked it up, and I see you’re right, there is a significant split difference.
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 6:50 pm (#719682)
i know someone who knows some one who knows big brown! woot! triple crown & and i am 4 gegrees of nearness to history BABY!
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:50 pm (#719683)
yea, no worries T, its actually going to cause an interesting FA debate when he comes due after this year.
The argument can be made that it ONLY makes sense for Colorado to pay him the superstar bucks he’s going to be looking for. another team may do it, but it certainly may not be worth it, while it could be worth it for colorado.
or can colorado spend that money elsewhere and expect the same kind of home-inflated #’s from whomever they sign or bring in??? its an interesting question.
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:51 pm (#719684)
history was denied :-p
Comment posted byDepon June 7, 2008 at 6:52 pm (#719685)
or in 2010, that’s when holliday hits.
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 6:58 pm (#719686)
wow dead last. what a freakin’ worthless nag. have fun at the kiddy rides there musucky pegasus.. what a mule..
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 7:02 pm (#719687)
Then why did the Reds rush Jay Bruce up fast to develop in AAA then?
Fuck if I know. I’m not going to argue with someone comparing his rise with Carp, a mediocre prospect who had one good month, a down to earth month and 8 days in June of good production. I guess that is how desperate some met fans are to make idiotic comparisons to a guy that Carp, in any world, wouldnt be able to sniff the jock strap of. If Carp gets called up, it’s to the Mets and not that rag tag piece of shit team we’re fielding in New Orleans. I’m telling you right now, I don’t want to see Obie platooning Abreu and Carp in games vs the Memphis redbirds.
Look at the Mets. The Mets have adopted an approach of having vets at New Orleans with a small sampling of prospects, who have either already been in the majors or fringy guys who top out at triple A. A lot of teams have taken that approach. The Braves, Dodgers and others. The Reds still utilize triple A for prospect enhancement (see Bailey, Bruce, Votto, the SS guy there now and Denorfia *who’s elbow injury has wrecked his career*. One reason is the ease of calling someone up from Louisville as oppose to calling up someone from Chattanooga. Although Delta provides Nonstop service to Northern Kentucky/Greater Cincy airport from Chattanooga, Louisville is still much closer. Once we get a triple A team closer to New York, we will see a similar trend.
A lot of people, including myself, believed that Cincy took a conservative approach with both Votto and Bruce when it came to calling them up when they were ready. I thought Votto was ready to start the season last year and Bruce was ready out of Spring Training this year.
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 7:08 pm (#719688)
big brown turd ia absolutely useless as a living creature. put it down now. big diarrhea mate with eight belles in horse hell
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 7:10 pm (#719689)
i was j/k
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 7:11 pm (#719690)
big diarrhea mate with eight belles in horse hell
Is Barbaro in hosre hell?
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 7:11 pm (#719691)
custer, I’m truly worried about you. I honestly think you’re losing your mind.
Comment posted byJessicaon June 7, 2008 at 7:12 pm (#719692)
There is exactly one reason they waited as long as they did to call up Bruce - service time.
Comment posted bybcusteron June 7, 2008 at 7:14 pm (#719694)
i was just trying to liven up the sleepy board. i love animals.. really i was just kidding
Comment posted bysheadenizenon June 7, 2008 at 7:15 pm (#719695)
Okay, I’ll stop worrying ;-)
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 7:17 pm (#719696)
There is exactly one reason they waited as long as they did to call up Bruce - service time.
:) Thank you. I knew someone would say it.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 7:26 pm (#719698)
Game Thread is open. Last one there is, well, nevermind. Big Brown already has last place locked up
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 7:33 pm (#719701)
#### if I know. I’m not going to argue with someone comparing his rise with Carp, a mediocre prospect who had one good month, a down to earth month and 8 days in June of good production. I guess that is how desperate some met fans are to make idiotic comparisons to a guy that Carp, in any world, wouldnt be able to sniff the jock strap of. If Carp gets called up, it’s to the Mets and not that rag tag piece of #### team we’re fielding in New Orleans. I’m telling you right now, I don’t want to see Obie platooning Abreu and Carp in games vs the Memphis redbirds
Who’s arguing? I asked you a legitimate question, I wasn’t arguing. If AAA is such a wasteful place to develop talent then why did the Reds rush Bruce up there so fast after playing for little time in AA in comparison? If this is your answer…
The Reds still utilize triple A for prospect enhancement (see Bailey, Bruce, Votto, the SS guy there now and Denorfia *who’s elbow injury has wrecked his career*. One reason is the ease of calling someone up from Louisville as oppose to calling up someone from Chattanooga. Although Delta provides Nonstop service to Northern Kentucky/Greater Cincy airport from Chattanooga, Louisville is still much closer. Once we get a triple A team closer to New York, we will see a similar trend.
…then fine, I you have answered my question. But you don’t need to resort to being an utter dickhead when I asked a serious comparitive question not aware of the differences in organizational philosophies between the Mets and Reds. I don’t read Baseball Prospectus or any baseball magazine like others here do.
And, BTW, I never ONCE said Carp was the same level of prospect as the great Bruce. I only compared how the two organizations handled them to see if the Mets were waiting to too long to move Carp to AAA and Bruce was an extreme comparison of a dude who practically bypassed AA in a near leap from A to AAA in a few weeks time. But I should have never done that because there was bound to be someone (or two) who read through it and immediately took umbrage at the very mention of the two in the same paragraph.
My apologies oh great guru for trying to ask questions about Carp and wondering about our farm system. The next time I ask questions, I will be sure to direct them somewheres else so that I don’t offend your great baseball intellect with my mundane and naive questions.
Comment posted byTLCon June 7, 2008 at 7:45 pm (#719706)
Whatever dude. I’m an ass, I know it and now you know it. Have a great day
Comment posted byTurning Point #4on June 7, 2008 at 7:48 pm (#719709)
Whatever dude. I’m an ass, I know it and now you know it. Have a great day
LOL! I don’t know you well enough to say either way, but that post sure had prick written all over it.
Premio. When do we leave the whale’s vagina?
Huh???
Ted Berg:
Bad news for Church ;(
The Mets are a 500 team if they are lucky..
(Means San Diego)
As some of us feared, it certainly looks like the Mets have mishandled the Ryan Church situation. I hope we’re wrong, but this certainly doesn’t sound good.
the mets royally fucked up ryan church.
congrats idiots.
and ow.
I’m sure Benson was mr. innocent on that boating incident!
I was at the game last night.
Thoughts:
The Tatis experiment is over. The carriage has turned back into a pumpkin. He can’t field and now he can’t hit. Back to AAA.
Luis Castillo needs to be benched for one game but Willie won’t do it because Luis is a vet. But that was one of the laziest plays I have seen all season and I saw it happening right from the get go.
Before the game I chatted with two people: 1) Mike Pelfrey. I talked to him about Wichita State hanging on to beat Florida State, and how he had gutted through last night and I thought pitched well enough to win. He shrugged his shoulders and laughed when I told him how nervous I got in the bottom of the ninth as Florida State mounted their comeback. I came back later (he was talking to friends behind home plate and asked if he would sign a ball for my brother. It was very nice of him and he did so.
2) Heath Bell. I talked to him about how I wished he was still a Met and he said and I quote “blame your manager.” I then said, “and Rick Peterson?” and Heath Bell laughed and rolled his eyes to show his displeasure. You can tell there is no love lost between Heath and Rick. Just like several years before Aaron Harang also told me about how he didn’t like Rick Peterson at all. It’s Rick’s way or the highway. He looked dominant last night.
3) This team isn’t very good and their plate approaches were terrible in many instances. It’s like they didn’t even look at the scouting reports: especially Delgado and the bottom of the order for Hoffman. You wonder how much longer HoJo is going to get…we didn’t give Rick Down this much leeway.
very cool future
i hope you had a good time despite the game’s suckiness
Thanks for the info future. But lets not dump on Tatis too much. We can cut him a little slack.
Tatis is currently hitting .234/.275/.340 … which makes him the best hitter on our bench (not counting backup catchers) by a frighteningly wide margin.
So Rey Ordonez 2001 would be an upgrade for the bench. Any more good news?
You don’t fool around with concussions, a competitor like church, who seems to be a gamer and scrappy, will not have a governor on himself to keep himself out of the lineup. Seems he was rushed back.
Goin to see Dave Matthews at Busch Stadium tonight, should be fun. I will try to drink a beer everytime I see a college punk with a hollister T-shirt or a visor.
Church should be shut down for AT LEAST two weeks and re-evaluated then. I’m starting to get. Very afraid we may not see him again for a long time. In many ways, he’s arguably been our best player (along with Wright), and it’s sad to see this situation develop. The goal now (as it should have been two weeks ago) is to think of his career, not the next game or week.
This Dock Doyle kid knows how to hit imo. He has two singles and didn’t try to do too much on those swings. His last hit was through the 5-6 hole It was a low fastball that he took the other way. He has some speed for a backstop. His team is outmatched but he doesn’t look like he is
future, j.d.: i love your post. i am crack-assicted to the slightest real inside info thank you
That’s cool, Chris. Thanks for posting it!
Another single for doyle. Liner to center. Talking about him right now. He is very vocal and charismatic. A good defender.
I’m trying to think of who he reminds me of. I think we made a good pick with him.
Dock Doyle. Private Eye.
This Fall. Only on FOX.
Carp’s stats from AA Binghampton:
OBP .409 SLG .535 OPS.944
When will he be moved up to AAA New Orleans?
Exactly!
Post Headline:
Just what the Dock Ordered!
I worry a little about Carp’s lack of power in May but all the other things are there (average + patience) and he’s cut down on his strike outs. I don’t think it would be a HORRIBLY panicked move to try him out in AAA since he essentially got half a season in AA last year….
Dock Doyle now 3 for 4 with a walk. Took a close pitch for a ball to start the last ab.
He had an off May but has been on fire this June with a 1.545 OPS for the month in 19 abs. Basically, I think its time to move him up sooner than later for a myriad of reasons. He will be 22 by the end of June, so he will be old enough. We just drafted Ike Davis anyways so he will be behind him and ready to be in Binghampton sooner than later with the way the Mets seem to want to rush him out of college. And lastly and most importantly, Carpy has a near season (146 games, 544 abs) of experience in AA ball already. Jay Bruce only had 16 games and 66 abs of ball in AA Chattqa for the Reds when he was moved up at 20/21 years of age. So then why can’t Carpy be moved up to New Orleans?
BIG RED HUNGRY
Why can’t we just skip AAA all-together and see if can beat out old man delgado!?!??!? :-p
Surely you jest? You’re not really comparing Mike Carp to Jay Bruce….are you?
Oh no! I compared the lowly Mike Carp to great a mighty second coming of Ted Williams himself–Jay Bruce!
Is the homefeild in Binghampton a hitters or pitcher’s park? I am curious. Does anyone know?
Slight pitchers, I believe.
The Mets should wait no longer than 16 games to move him up if he continues hot.
Then he will have a full season of games in Binghampton. Maybe he can still get around half a season of work in New Orleans and then another half plus in 08′ before a possible callup opportunity. Who’s with me?
this says its slightly plus to hitters for hits/doubles and slight to pitchers for HRs
not sure how recent it is
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pf.html
I don’t recall ever referring to Jay Bruce as Ted Williams. You must have me confused with someone else ;-)
And the B Mets play in Binghamton, NY. Just want you to keep all the facts straight.
Ok, thanks Lunk and Deppy. The reason I ask is because Carp’s SLG and OPS numbers are considerably better there (. 604/ 1.051 ) than they are on the road ( .477/ .853 ). Also, his power stats against lefties are still pretty weak (.479 SLG, OPS .808) compared to his power stats against righties (.566 SLG/ 1.015 OPS). I think he has platoon written all over him early in his career even if he called up next season after replicating his AA production in New Orleans. But he should be moved up sooner than later.
Carp and Scooch in 09!!!!
:-p
I must have confused you with the rest of national media who also gasps sighs at the mention of his name with mere mortals….
Oh excuse me for the typo. The Binghamtom Mets.
LOL! That sounds like a 70’s-80s cop drama rip off like Starsky and Hutch or Cagney and Lacey or Jake and the Fatman.
LOL!!!
maybe one of them is an animal partner!
Carp: Book him Scooch!
Scooch: ROOF!
Like Turner and Hooch? LOL! Willie can be the hardass chief who calls them into his office for bending the rules and bringing the commissioner and mayor’s office down on his back.
hahahahaha, exactly. funny it rhymes. i didnt even realize that.
I’ll take Carp hitting .800+ OPS against lefties any day of the week.
I can’t even put Mike Carp in the same sentence as Joey Votto yet alone Jay Bruce. I have never seen Carp play in person but I haven’t heard anyone here who has seen him glow about the guy. He is just an ordinary prospect that happens to be at a position where we have a geratric patient filling right now. I say keep him in double A until he can put together 2 solid months back to back at the level then call him up to the big leagues. The competition is not at triple A in my opinion. Triple A is filled with 4 A players like the Andy Tracy’s of the world and a few washed up guys, sprinkled with a few prospects.
Comparing Carp to Bruce should end with they play baseball, are male and are americans. I don’t like how they have projected Bruce to be the next Williams but Jay Bruce never needed double A. I don’t think he needed triple A. He is a guy who is really just a natural hitter. Hopefully the hype doesnt mess him up
lol, Chris!
Scooch is blocking the Carp’s ability to migrate north.
Hence, Death to Scoochie.
Future Post Headline:
Hitting on the Dock of the (Flushing) Bay.
Future brandy-based drink served at bars all over NYC: a Doyle Alexander.
At the end of the day, I don’t hate Carp. I just don’t think he is a star waiting to happen.
ST. Lucie’s team is depressing.
Belmont Picks
win Tale of Ekati
place Big Brwn
show Icabad Crane
I already suck at fantasy baseball, let’s see if I can add picking the ponies to the list.
Then why did the Reds rush Jay Bruce up fast to develop in AAA then? They didn’t even wait more than 70 abs to move him through AA. I don’t see what Carp has left to prove in AA if he is still raking by around the last week of this month.
Wow, I just heard on one of the ESPN insiders that they think Matt Holiday will be traded by the All-Star break.
Think we could come up with package there?
How ’bout Church, Heilman, and a minor leaguer for Holliday?
that deal might actually makes the mets worse.
No one thinks Carp is the next superstar. However, it’s look more and more like he could be a useful player, definitely a lefty bat that could platoon at 1st base and hit for enough average/power to bat in the 6th or 7th hole. Do we need much more than that?
How do you figure that Dep?
http://mvn.com/mlb-stats/2008/06/05/you-dont-mess-with-the-johan/
Holliday is not the superstar ppl think he is outside of coors, look at his road OPS the last few seasons, he had a huge year last year but outside of that. he’s average on the road.
in 2008 he’s right around his 5-year average road OPS of .770-.780
that’s the kind of production we’re gonna get from him in Shea, not the coors inflated stuff.
I honestly would rather have Church, i think he’s a better player or at least even.
and then you’re subtracting a bullpen arm as well, yes heils is not doing good, but he’s still an arm that would have to replaced.
thus i think that deal would make the mets worse.
I thought he was one of the exceptions when it came to home/road splits, but I just looked it up, and I see you’re right, there is a significant split difference.
i know someone who knows some one who knows big brown! woot! triple crown & and i am 4 gegrees of nearness to history BABY!
yea, no worries T, its actually going to cause an interesting FA debate when he comes due after this year.
The argument can be made that it ONLY makes sense for Colorado to pay him the superstar bucks he’s going to be looking for. another team may do it, but it certainly may not be worth it, while it could be worth it for colorado.
or can colorado spend that money elsewhere and expect the same kind of home-inflated #’s from whomever they sign or bring in??? its an interesting question.
history was denied :-p
or in 2010, that’s when holliday hits.
wow dead last. what a freakin’ worthless nag. have fun at the kiddy rides there musucky pegasus.. what a mule..
Fuck if I know. I’m not going to argue with someone comparing his rise with Carp, a mediocre prospect who had one good month, a down to earth month and 8 days in June of good production. I guess that is how desperate some met fans are to make idiotic comparisons to a guy that Carp, in any world, wouldnt be able to sniff the jock strap of. If Carp gets called up, it’s to the Mets and not that rag tag piece of shit team we’re fielding in New Orleans. I’m telling you right now, I don’t want to see Obie platooning Abreu and Carp in games vs the Memphis redbirds.
Look at the Mets. The Mets have adopted an approach of having vets at New Orleans with a small sampling of prospects, who have either already been in the majors or fringy guys who top out at triple A. A lot of teams have taken that approach. The Braves, Dodgers and others. The Reds still utilize triple A for prospect enhancement (see Bailey, Bruce, Votto, the SS guy there now and Denorfia *who’s elbow injury has wrecked his career*. One reason is the ease of calling someone up from Louisville as oppose to calling up someone from Chattanooga. Although Delta provides Nonstop service to Northern Kentucky/Greater Cincy airport from Chattanooga, Louisville is still much closer. Once we get a triple A team closer to New York, we will see a similar trend.
A lot of people, including myself, believed that Cincy took a conservative approach with both Votto and Bruce when it came to calling them up when they were ready. I thought Votto was ready to start the season last year and Bruce was ready out of Spring Training this year.
big brown turd ia absolutely useless as a living creature. put it down now. big diarrhea mate with eight belles in horse hell
i was j/k
Is Barbaro in hosre hell?
custer, I’m truly worried about you. I honestly think you’re losing your mind.
There is exactly one reason they waited as long as they did to call up Bruce - service time.
i was just trying to liven up the sleepy board. i love animals.. really i was just kidding
Okay, I’ll stop worrying ;-)
:) Thank you. I knew someone would say it.
Game Thread is open. Last one there is, well, nevermind. Big Brown already has last place locked up
Who’s arguing? I asked you a legitimate question, I wasn’t arguing. If AAA is such a wasteful place to develop talent then why did the Reds rush Bruce up there so fast after playing for little time in AA in comparison? If this is your answer…
…then fine, I you have answered my question. But you don’t need to resort to being an utter dickhead when I asked a serious comparitive question not aware of the differences in organizational philosophies between the Mets and Reds. I don’t read Baseball Prospectus or any baseball magazine like others here do.
And, BTW, I never ONCE said Carp was the same level of prospect as the great Bruce. I only compared how the two organizations handled them to see if the Mets were waiting to too long to move Carp to AAA and Bruce was an extreme comparison of a dude who practically bypassed AA in a near leap from A to AAA in a few weeks time. But I should have never done that because there was bound to be someone (or two) who read through it and immediately took umbrage at the very mention of the two in the same paragraph.
My apologies oh great guru for trying to ask questions about Carp and wondering about our farm system. The next time I ask questions, I will be sure to direct them somewheres else so that I don’t offend your great baseball intellect with my mundane and naive questions.
Whatever dude. I’m an ass, I know it and now you know it. Have a great day
LOL! I don’t know you well enough to say either way, but that post sure had prick written all over it.