With May in our rear-view mirror and the draft firmly in our sights, we thought we’d check up on the state of the Mets’ farm system. To help us out, we enlisted the aid of Kevin Goldstein, one of the best prospect analysts out there. Kevin wrote for Baseball America until 2006, when he joined the Baseball Prospectus team of writers. He was kind enough to spend some time with us last Friday.
MetsGeek: How for real is Dan Murphy? What is the difference between him, Mike Carp, and Nick Evans?
Kevin Goldstein: That’s a great question. Well, I’ve talked to a couple scouts who’ve seen Binghamton, and they tend to like Evans best, and I think that has a lot to do with the birthdate. Murphy is a little older than the other two, and Murphy doesn’t really have a defined position yet in the sense that he’s not really a great third baseman. He can hit, although he maybe needs to tighten the approach a little bit. There’s questions about if there’s any more than average power, but he can put a bat on a ball pretty well. People tend to like Evans better as a prospect, and I think the Mets do as well; they proved that when they called him up.
MetsGeek: What are Valentino Pascucci’s pluses? Can he help the Mets at all?
Kevin Goldstein: No, not really. Obviously Val Pascucci is having a great year, but he is one of those classic Quadruple-A hitters. Off the top of my head, I’m guessing he’s 29 or 30 years old. He’s always been a guy who draws walks, hits home runs, and strikes out a lot. I think the problem is that if you took him up to the big leagues, he’d strike out even more. He does most of his damage against lefties, he really struggles against right-handers. He’s really kind of an org player, Quadruple-A hitter. Maybe an occasional insurance policy, but he has no important role at all in the Mets’ future.
MetsGeek: So we shouldn’t be rooting for the Mets to release Delgado and call him up?
Kevin Goldstein: (Laughs) No, you should not. I mean, you might, just because it’s hard not to dig a guy named Val Pascucci. And as big as he is, I have a personal bias in favor of big baseball players, and he certainly is enormous, but on a skill level, he’s up and down, played in Triple-A, played across the sea a few times, he’s the definition of what an org player is.
MetsGeek: Gotcha. Well, what are the Mets organization’s strengths and weaknesses right now?
Kevin Goldstein: Well, their weaknesses are pretty much everything. (Laughs) It’s not a very good organization–they didn’t have much to begin with, and they gave up a lot in the Santana trade. There has been a few things to root for this year, though. If they have one strength, it’s more of a hopeful strength. There’s young talent there in Savannah and St. Lucie. They might not be prospects yet, but if you look at them on the right day, and you twist your head funny, you can look at a guy like [Scott] Moviel and say, “That guy might turn into something.” You can look at Fransisco Pena and say, “He’s so young, he’s hitting a little better this year, that might turn into something.” The good news is that they get a ton of draft picks this year, so hopefully that will help as well.
MetsGeek: Do you think the Mets will go slot in this year’s draft, and if they do go over slot, who will they be looking at, if anyone?
Kevin Goldstein: There’s two aspects to that. The first one is that I don’t think there’s any kind of Rick Porcello situation this year, where there’s not a lot of guys dropping because of bonus demands. Maybe a couple picks or two, but nothing like Porcello. There are some Boras high school clients like Gerrit Cole and Alex Meyer but I don’t think teams are going to take Meyer at all because he’s not worth what he’s asking for. Cole is a guy who could drop, but I don’t think the Mets will take him. It’s not a great year to be a slot buster, at the same time, it’s even harder to be a slot buster in the Mets situation where you have so many picks, so it’s going to cost you even more than it normally might cost you. Even if you pay them normal slot money, you’re spending more on the draft than you have in previous years. I think they’re just focusing on the best player available. Not worried too much about the price, but I’m not sure they’d jump on anyone who drops.
MetsGeek: Do you think they’re going to draft pitchers with the first few picks, or are there any first-round hitters that they might be looking at?
Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, definitely. I don’t think a team in the latter half of the draft gets fixated on a position at all. You might see that with some of the really high picks; Baltimore, Florida, they’re focusing on college arms. When you’re picking 18 and 22, they are just going to take the best player available. There might be more of a focus on college talent than high school talent because the upper levels of the Mets system are not very good, so they might be looking for guys who can help out quickly. Don’t be surprised to see some of the more polished college hitters or college relievers who are moving up on draft boards.
MetsGeek: Are there any guys in the Mets’ system who don’t get a lot of press but might have an impact at some point down the road?
Kevin Goldstein: There are a couple guys. Fransisco Pena is such a great defender, and though he still isn’t doing much with the bat, at least he’s not hitting .180 anymore. And he’s still so young, and it doesn’t take much offensively to project as an everyday big league catcher. He’s a big, big dude, and you’d think he might come into some power down the line. He still might be able to stop chasing the pitches he’s chasing right now. He could be a really good prospect; he’s just not one right now. That’s the guy who really comes to mind. I’m still a fan of Scott Moviel, though I know he’s struggling. He still has good velocity. Another guy who I still kind of like is Ruben Tejada. Very young, a decent shortstop, he can play the other infield positions. He has some idea of what he’s doing at the plate. If there’s a sleeper, it might be Lucas Duda. He can definitely hit. He’s got the same problem that the trio at Binghamton has: positionally, he’s pretty limited.
MetsGeek: People on Met blogs like him a lot.
Kevin Goldstein: There’s a great name, first of all. That always helps. Lucas Duda just sounds cool. Here’s a guy who looked really good coming out of high school, and would have gone really high, but he was committed to going to college. As a college player, he was a significant disappointment, which dropped him. But now he’s putting up numbers in a tough park in a tough league. That’s a pretty impressive line that he’s putting up right now. Problem with all these guys is: where do you put him, other than first base? Evans might be okay in the outfield. Mike Carp’s a horrible outfielder, he’s first base only. And Murphy’s not really a good third baseman. So you have all these players who might be able to hit, but after that, they are kind of one-dimensional.
MetsGeek: Going back to Tejada, the Mets have a habit of aggressively promoting players. Does it make it hard to judge performances? Do you think that helps or hurts a prospect?
Kevin Goldstein: It depends on the kid. Talking to the Mets people, they always really liked Tejada’s makeup, and they really thought he had the wherewithal and maturity on the mental level to handle St. Lucie but they thought he’d probably struggle a bit. They didn’t have room for him in Savannah, they really wanted Bouchard playing shortstop there. But in the sense that he can handle it on a mental level, it can be a good thing. They did the same thing with Nick Evans. It’s really a case by case basis. Sometimes it’s a good thing, sometimes it’s not.
MetsGeek: It seemed to work out okay with Carlos Gomez.
Kevin Goldstein: Right, and Gomez is such a weird case, since he always had the tools to get it done, so he could always fall back on the tools. Even when he wasn’t playing well, if you saw him for a whole week, you could be pretty sure that he’d do something spectacular. Tejada’s a different beast, though. He’s not a toolsy kind of kid. He’s more of a fundamentals-grinder-play-hard kind of guy.
MetsGeek: Yeah, I think Fernando Martinez might be in a similar situation. At what point does Fernando Martinez have to put up numbers?
Kevin Goldstein: That’s a million dollar question. Great question, people ask me that all the time. I talked to a scout who saw the B-Mets, and he’s convinced that Fernando Martinez is going to be a perennial All-Star. He’s a guy who will hit third in the Mets lineup pretty soon and be an impact player, but sometime the guys have to put numbers up. Guys have to do it, and not everyone does.
MetsGeek: Jose Tabata’s been doing terrible, and people are now writing him off a bit.
Kevin Goldstein: That one’s a really significant thing, where people are starting to question his skills, though you’re not seeing that with Fernando Martinez. If you look at Hanley Ramirez’ minor league numbers, he’s not going to blow you away either. Though that was for a whole different reason, maybe. But there are guys who it doesn’t show up for a while or even until they get to the big leagues. Offensively, Martinez has plenty of tools.
That concludes part one of the interview, but look for the rest of our chat tomorrow.
Lovely to hear some sanity on Spumoni or Canoli or whateverthehell.
If you’re 29 and you’re in AAA, you’re very most likely terrible.
You can hit a bunch of one-pitch pitchers?
Mazeltov… but that don’t get it done in the bigs.
Why am I not surprised that Pascucci has the “AAAA” and “Org player” labels? He can hit lefties. What can’t Delgado hit so well these days? So yeah, he could help this team. He’s not an everyday player but nobody is asking him to be.
Good to hear that Francisco!? is a great defender. He’s at last made strides at the plate this year, hopefully he continues to improve. But like Goldstein said, he doesn’t have to hit very much to mature into a major leaguer with defense like that. But it would be nice to get a total package, and the dude is only 18 years old, lest we forget.
I don’t want to hear about anybody that loves Gomez now. If I remember correctly, Goldstein was one of the Gomez haters. It’s amazing what getting out of the Mets system can do to these prospect evaluators. The guy had Gerardo “Rico Suave” Parra rated ahead of Gomez in January of this year.
Re: Goldstein’s opinion of Gomez
He ranked him the 4th-best prospect in the Mets’ system in December of ‘06 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5763) and as the best prospect in the Twins’ system after the trade (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7089). Always had praise for the tools.
You would have to be blind to not like Gomez’s tools. He might have been the best overall athlete in all of minor league baseball last year.
He had Gomez ranked in the 60s in his Top 100 prospects coming into 2008. He didn’t believe too much in those tools. His ranking in the Twins system was more of an indictment on the Twins than it was an endorsement of Gomez.
Yea, i dont get why he shat on pascucci in terms of being able to help and then he says he did most of his damage vs lefties.
that’s kinda what we need at 1B to go with KOS
He took a big dump on Fonzerelli because… AAA numbers are largely illusory.
The pitching in AAA is SO much worse and SO one-dimensional that the numbers mean almost nothing… why do you think people are jumping straight from AA so much more often lately?
Because AAA is largely where people hide their Jose Limas and Tony Armas Juniors and stuff these days, not where they let their best prospects linger forever.
Being able to hit AAA lefties and being able to hit MLB lefties are two different animals.
What’s your solution for first base, LFM?
the guy has NEVER gotten a chance at the ML level. he’s got fucking 62 ABs in the Majors.
please, you just dont like him cuz of his age.
if he was 25 years old and putting up the same line in AAA, you’d have a raging hard-on to give the guy a shot.
please stop acting like you know that he cant hit ML pitching, cuz no one does. he hasnt been given the shot.
All due respect to Goldstein, but no one is asking about Pascucci’s “role… in the Mets’ future.” We want to know what his role in the Mets’ present is, and I don’t think he would tell us that Damion Easley, Nick Evans and Fernando Tatis are more valuable to the Mets than Pascucci.
Everyone knows that he is no everyday player, that he has a lot of flaws that have kept him out of the big leagues. I think the scouting report is final on that one. But what Pascucci CAN do is exactly what the Mets need, and if Goldstein is a Mets fan as he claims, he should be able to see that.
Otherwise, terrific interview.
As for 29 being too old to give a shot in MLB, take a look at Chris Coste. Also Church was 28 before he got a decent look last year. There ARE instances where these older players have success in MLB when they get a chance.
Like this guy?
LFM, I know you’re trying to be witty and cute, but these disparaging names you give to players you have no use for are totally offensive. If you have something constructive to add about a player…fine. But these ethnic, negative names which you think clever….are anything but.
Exactly. Some people wrote off Jack Cust, said he was a AAAA hitter, till he was given an real shot at playing. Ryan Church was thought to be only half a platoon, because in small samples he didn’t hit lefties. Which is not to say Pascucci is going to be as good as Cust or Church, just that we don’t know if he can hit major league pitching because he’s never got a real chance to do so. I don’t think anyone is realisticaly expecting him to come in and hit .300/.400/.500, but if he can provide even some right handed power off the bench, there is just very little to lose. And if the scouts are wrong, and he *can* mash at the ML level, that’s gravy. Do we *really* need a third catcher more than a (possibly AAAA) hitter?
You’ll hear more about what Kevin thinks about Gomez tomorrow.
I wonder if we can go with a youngsters platoon at 1B next year, a la Backman/Teufel? Murphy, Carp, Evans, Duda… I think Carp is the only lefty (not sure), so a lot would depend on him.
Duda, Murphy, Carp: bat L, throw R
Evans, Pascucci: R/R