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January 17, 2008
Link Dump: January 17th, 2008
[05:44 AM] New York Post: VALENTIN, METS CLOSE IN ON DEAL Most headlines aggregated by SportSpyder. 534 Responses to “Link Dump: January 17th, 2008”Leave a ReplyYou must be logged in to post a comment. |
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Santana has a full no trade clause and the Twins will not take a chance that he vetoes a trade in July. Then they get nothing when he walks as a FA next year. Yes, they get draft choices….I know that.
I agree, shea. I don’t think they want draft slots in a world where the Tigers get away with paying MLB starter money for a #27 draft pick.
Why would Santana accept a trade now and not accept it in July?
I agree with you, shea, that the Twins are definitely
to some extent playing chicken with the league to get as much as they can for him and… if they’re too greedy, he’ll walk and all they’ll get are a few no-guarantees draft picks but…
I don’t follow why it’d be essential to do it now.
If the Mets or the Yanks wake up and it’s July and they’re hanging on by their fingernails, won’t they be MORE desperate, not less?
I mean, right now, the Mets can lie to themselves that
Alou and Delgado and Castillo and Pedro and El Duque are gonna be healthy all year, that The Animal will hit over .200 and that Church’ll hit over .200 against lefties.
And the Yankees have their own set of delusions about their aging arrogant contraversy-magnet roster…
And by the ASB, many of those delusions’ll be shattered and both teams’ll be twice as desperate for the ace pitcher to ride in on a white horse and save the day.
The Red Sox, not so much, because they’re so stacked…
But the odds are very good that both NYC teams will be dealing from a greater position of desperation mid-season than right now.
Why do they HAVE to unload him now?
As much as we all hate Omar’s inaction….he’s not lying to himself. He knows he needs pitching desperately, no matter what the public stance is. He has no interest in going into this season with this pitching staff. Whether he can do something about it is another story. But I guarantee you, he’s not deluding himself.
Maybe he’s quaaluding himself. That would explain a lot.
Now that’s an explanation I can live with, 86!
forget about this weekend giant fans. dirty trick in green bay will cause a loss:
And the answer to your question LFM is because by July, the Twins will be desperate. They can’t hold on to him. They would have to take what they’re offered. They won’t do that. They’ll trade him now!
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
and if there is something with santana’s shoulder, or something happenes to santana between now and july, then they get only draft picks.
there is a risk in waiting for all sides. as in life, shit happens.
If Eli doesn’t have his own DVD player with him on the road….then what’s the point in signing for all that money? They’ll have to come up with something better than that! LOL!
dvd player?
shea will all that money, he has a an iphone with all the episodes ripped to it.
;)
Whatever….you got my point, Confused. So I’m a little technology challenged. It doesn’t make me a bad person ;-)
If Green Bay really wants to bring Eli down, they should convince a fading starlet who’s attractive in a washed-out trashy sort of way that the publicity from sleeping with him would save her career.
It has worked before!
I guess my point is… if the Twins wanted to make a semi-reasonable trade for Santana, three really good prospects for him, they could’ve made it with probably ten teams, months ago.
And ten teams’ll still make that deal at the trade deadline in 2008.
If the Mets or the Yankees tank next year, their entire front-offices will get axed for gross incompetence and deservedly so.
Minaya desperately needs a Big Dumb Splash Trade to save his job.
Cashman desperately needs to keep up with Boston to save his job.
The Minnesota front office? They’re not trying to win in 2008, all that is expected of them is getting as much as they can for Santana.
I say they have all the benefit in the world to just… hang back and wait for Minaya to offer practically the entire New Orleans team for Santana or Cashman to offer practically the entire Scranton team to save their jobs.
Because EVERY team with three good prospects would trade them for Santana, except maybe the small market teams that can’t afford him to begin with.
Why NOT hang out six more months and see if someone will pull an idiot move to try and save their 2008 season and their job?
Neither Minaya or Cashman is getting fired. But you certainly do have a vivid imagination. Unfortunately, the competition is back. The writers have reached a tenative agreement.
If the Mets suck in ‘08 Willie will take the fall and that will buy Omar another 2 years or so. So he’s safe for a while.
Minaya’s ass is tied to the Willie rock. If the rock falls in and goes down river, sayonara to Willie and Omar.
Then they can bring in Shapiro and that guy Manny Acta. :crosses fingers:
Hm? Last I heard the DGA just bent over for the studios but the writers were still a-mulling it over.
I don’t think it’s my imagination, though, that the Twins are operating from a position of total power.
They’ll get more than Santana’s worth no matter what… remember… you’re not trading for Santana, you’re trading for a rental on Santana IF AND ONLY IF you also agree to overpay him five million dollars a year for more than he’s worth.
They can’t afford to keep him, either way, and now they’ve got every fan and half the people in the front offices convinced that he’s the magic bullet that can turn a borderline playoff team into a World Series winner.
He’s a really good starting pitcher but he’s not going to have THAT kind of impact, the Twins know this and everyone else has forgotten over the off-season because the free agent market was historically thin.
If they dropped their demands to merely overpaying for Santana, GMs would be killing their grandmothers for the chance to make that deal and the Twins know it.
There’s a lot more time to shoot for the moon as the “ceiling” when overpaying in a trade is still the “basement” of the offers they could take.
It’s kind of like with Milledge… 99% of why it was stupid to trade him for boots and a sandwich was that his basement was still better than most other options at his position, so why NOT hang onto him to see if he’d get to his ceiling?
They’re gonna get more than Santana’s worth, considering the limitations of his no-trade and all, no matter what they do.
They only benefit by waiting for the ceiling trade to fall in their laps.
No way. Omar isn’t going anywhere. If you fire your GM you have rebuild the whole organization. The Mets aren’t going to do that any time soon. Changing managers is drastic emough - and overreacting if you ask me. This team has been too good the past 2 years to start over with a new front office.
Hopefully we won’t get the chance to find out who’s right.
Eff that, I want Bill Stoneman when Minaya gets axed. Dude was the only sane big-market GM in baseball other than Theo Epstein when he was with the Angels.
Develop from within, throw big wads of cash at what you can’t develop from within, not the other way around.
Mookie Wilson/Bill Stoneman in ‘09!
LFM, I was wrong. The studios and directors reached an agreement….not the writers.
But I’m right about Santana…he goes before ST. And I’m right about Omar. He’s going nowhere.
I’m just hoping Wilpon has the balls to stand by what he said about Omar.
Maybe he said it just to take the heat off Omar that keeping Willie was to make sure Omar had at least one more year after this one if he cans Willie after this one.
Who the heck did Stoneman develop? He had a lot of great prospects but he royally screwed up by not trading them when their value was high. Instead, he held onto the prospects and they are mostly worthless now.
I’m the first one to say that making a move just for the sake of making a move is bad, but Stoneman was awful in the opposite direction. It’s been blatantly obvious since the Angels got Vlad that they needed one other big bat to really solidify themselves as a championship-caliber team. Instead, they let half their prospects rot, let Jeff Weaver “pitch” long enough to torpedo their playoff chances in ‘06 even though it meant sending the Weaver who is actually good at pitching down to the minors, threw loads of money at Gary Matthews Jr, and put together a team of players who emulate Vlad’s swing-at-everything approach without having his unique abilities.
They won or competed for the AL West, year in and year out… spending a lot less money than the Mets did and competing far more consistently than the Mets have since the middle-eighties.
Those are the only kinds of results that matter to me.
No stunt trades to impress the tabloids, no stunt signings to impress the tabloids.
Just winning.
If I’m not mistaken, they’ve actually had a higher payroll than the Mets in 2 of the past 4 years.
Jessica….you are absolutely correct!
LFM, the fact that they’re in the 2nd worst division in the majors has nothing to do with their constantly competing, I’m sure. I’m giving the worst division honors to the NL Central.
Stoneman had a big problem, he didn’t have the balls to do the big deal when he needed to. Not all prospects make it, especially not all “can’t miss” guys. Sometimes you have to trade them for what you need.
But he held onto all of them and now their value has dropped substantially. If the Angels traded Kendrick and Ervin Santana before he made it, the Angels would be *the* team to beat.
To make matters worse, Stoneman’s successor is even worse, he threw a ton of money at someone he flat out didn’t need.
Good point about the division. It must be nice to play in a 4-team division where one team is never in contention, another team can usually be counted on to shoot itself in the foot, and the other team that’s usually good is going to be in a rebuilding year.
I found this baby pic of me its great!!
If you have money, you NEVER have to make the big trade and you can find out entirely if your prospects are good or not. That’s the entire point of being a large market club.
The Boston Red Sox sure as hell don’t operate that way and last time I checked, they’ve won 2 of the last 4 World Series….the second championship mostly due to their trade for Beckett and Lowell.
There is a huge difference between “trading parts to Florida or Tampa Bay for stars they cannot afford” and “the big stupid trade” such as Minaya seems to be begging on his knees for.
Tampa and Miami are AAA teams, they just don’t know it.