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September 8, 2005
Tom is Woe
Clubhouse leader Tom Glavine on his luck…
In the words of the legendary Avkash Patel, Cry Us a River, Tom. Thanks to Mike. 26 Responses to “Tom is Woe”Leave a ReplyYou must be logged in to post a comment. |
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I’m not sure how many wins the Mets have cost Glavine over the last 3 years, but it’s safe to say that if they had given him at least average run support, Glavine would have at least 10 to 15 additional wins. That’s a lot for a 39 year-old who’s trying to get to 300 wins and doesn’t have many more tomorrows. He’s probably still kicking himself for not signing with the Braves.
Glavine hasn’t been that great, I think the only wins that the Mets have cost him are the losses he took when he faced the Braves instead of the Mets. Did that sentence make any sense?
Tom is, and has been, a pathetic little pansy. Poor little pewk isn’t he. The Qwestec just isn’t fair to him. And he just can’t pitch against the Braves. And……..
His kind of self-pitying blab is just what the Mets deserve for keeping that sack of manure on the team, allowing him to get his option, and giving us the nausea of having to watch him next year. Any more questions as to just why the Mets are a LOSING team. [Oh, yeah, wasn’t Glavine a major coup by the Wilpons…….and that’s the reason he hasn’t been dumped. Don’t tell me that Omar the laservision sales rep really thinks he’s worth $10million per year as the number 2….sorry, number 3……..whoops, sorry number 4 starter? Nope it’s that “autonomy” that Omar doesn’t really have that accounts for Glavine still being here.
I don’t mind having glavine on the team next year at all…Hes’ an excellent 3 or 4 starter..he is better than benson in my opinion…Benson is just too damn streaky..zambrano..well you know
that being said..pedro, seo, glavine, benson , zambrano/trachsel/petit/bannister/heilman
hopefully in spring training heilman gets a shot at being a starter again….and if im not mistaken trachsel is off contract after this year…but the mets have like 2 extra pitchers they can trade for an impact offensive player i think
and to ricardo
i dont understand are u trying to make fun of tom for complaining?….i would complain too…u pitch an excellent game only for looper aka skeletor face to blow it not once but TWICE….its better he lets it out and let it be known rather than sulk in private and keep it to himself
Actually, I agree with Glavine. Heck, he’s been a good sport through this entire season with all the games this bullpen has blown. I don’t think Tommy will win a Cy Young award again, and I’m not saying he’s such a fantastic pitcher right now, but you can bet that his W-L numbers this year would be at least reversed if Looper&Co. could hold a lead. In fact, we’d be in the WC lead had they not blown so many games this year.
Kudos for Tom’s performance last night. He should’ve won, and no one can deny that he pitched a good –if not great– game… and against the Brave, too.
can someone explain to me what would be the logic of randolph taking out Benson AFTER an error by Matsui on a simple ground ball? Is that normal. (Of course why would randolph do anything normal).
And explanation would be accepted.
I have no problem with what Tommy said..
1) He’s correct Looper ALWAYS blow’s division game’s that we need
2)Maybe, this will start some Entertaining drama in the clubhouse
Personally, I like it on both account’s…..Keep it comin Tommy.
Tommy didn’t say anything that isn’t true. His numbers speak for themselves, and he can speak for his numbers. His team has let him down. I don’t feel bad for him - not at ~$11M/year, but he speaks the truth.
And by numbers, i mean “peripherals” i guess. The stuff he has control over; K/BB, BABIP, IPG, etc.
I’m sorry, but I don’t think anyone, much less a self-appointed clubhouse leader, should be calling out a teammate. If he really wants to help, Glavine should be a real leader and STFU.
And the benefit of this would be?
Me! The un-entertained Mets Fan….
Glavine - and just about every Mets starter not named Victor - has the right to call out Braden Looper.
He came year because he was greedy. He knew that the offense was weak (except Piazza), the bullpen was average, and the defense was less than average. On top of that the Wilpons were not willing to send hookers to the umpires hotel room the night before he pitched (no fat strike zone buddy). Tom, you collected your $10mm, dropped your no trade clause and leave.
Remember the old website had the “Glavine Innings Coutdown” for his option to kick in? Now, why was it featured there? Oh yeah, that’s because he SUCKS and is OVERPAID and nobody wanted to see him back again next year. With his recent streak of good performances, everybody has forgotten how bad he was earlier this year, as well as for much of his 3 seasons here. Even with this latest string of good starts, it’s not worth $10 mil. You want dominance for $10 mil, not a “crafty” veteran with a shit WHIP and K ratio who induces a lot of double-play outs to save his ass– and whose performance is often dependent on how lenient the ump’s strike zone is that day.
Glavine is a selfish SOB, more interested in padding his stats to get into the HOF than winning games. I don’t need this quote to know that. You can always see him sulking in the dugout when he doesn’t get the run support he thinks he deserves or when the bullpen blows it. Even if the Mets end up winning the game, he still sulks because he didn’t get the W.
I hate the fact that Glavine is on this team. He’s a Brave. Never shoulda signed him. Peace.
What characterizes Glavine’s Braves? Winning during the regular season and then losing when it REALLY counts - in the post-season. How much of that is on Glavine’s shoulders? In other words, how much is Glavine really worth as a clutch performer?
In the one and only World Series that the Braves have won during their run, Glavine helped alot. He was 2-0, with a 1.29 ERA. In the 5 that the Braves lost, Glavine was 2-3. In other post-season play, Glavine is 12-15. In some of those years, he had a melt-down that buried his beloved Braves.
In 2002, for a recent example, in game 1 of the NLDS against the Giants, Tommy gave up 6 earned runs on 10 hits and 2 walks in 5 innings. The Braves lost.
Atlanta didn’t quit, though. They came back to win the next two games, needing one more victory to win the best of 5 series. Glavine got the start against a San Francisco team that had been held to a total of 5 runs in it’s previous two losses. If tommy won, the Braves advance. What did Mr. Wonderful do? He managed to work 2 2/3 innings, giving up 7 earned runs. The Braves lost the game, and went on to lose the series.
In other words - shut up, Tommy.
Too true, BBE. Fuck Glavine and the money train he took from Atlanta. I hated him when he was a Brave. I hated the fact that we signed him. I hate the fact that he’ll almost certainly get into the HoF (thanks to those years of generous outside strike calls). And I hate the fact that we’re probably stuck with him for a while. God I hope somebody’s desperate for a veteran lefty starter next season around the trading deadline and offers to take him off our hands. I know it’s irrational, but I’d rather have Looper back next year (though hopefully as a set-up man and not a closer) than Glavine.
Hey, I got an idea — considering how desperate the Yankees are for pitching, maybe we can unload Looper and Glavine on them (maybe they’ll take back Randolph too) in exchange some of Steinbrenner’s loose millions.
I fail to see the logic on unloading glavine. His numbers after the all-star break have been outstanding and he would most definitely make a great 4th or 5th starter on this team next year.
He did get a generous strike zone while in Atlanta. However, he no longer gets that strike zone most nights and I feel he is finally learning how to adapt to that.
The logic in unloading Glavine is that the Mets are building for a world championship. Based on his history - even in his BEST days - Glavine can’t be counted on in the post-season.
I think it is time the pitchers speak up about their frustration - I read this as just as much a shot at Willie as at Looper — everyone in MLB and everyone who watches baseball knows Looper cannot get out lefties - everyone that is EXCEPT Willie Randolph. So let the pitchers vent their frustration - to tell you the truth, the only way Willie gets canned at the end of the year (as he rightfully should) is if the clubhouse disintergrates on him. WHile that is not a pretty picture to watch, if it ends in Willie seeking employment - go for it! As they say, the ends justify the means!
As for the Glavine bashing - I may be wrong, but is his 2nd half ERA better than Pedro’s? I must be close - I believe his is around 2.90 since the break — I will take that ERA at any price.
As a fifth starter, its not like he would be starting any of the post-season games anyways.
Yeah…glavine’s second half ERA > pedro’s second half ERA.
If glavine can put up the same numbers he’s putting up during his second half, ill take that any day of the week.
Not sure why everyone hates the guy…..i understand he was a brave, understand he came here and signed for alota money and didnt produce….but he’s having a great second half. I think he’s changed, pitching more inside then he did in the past. I think these second half numbers are what we could expect from him next yr.
John,
I’ll admit that my desire to unload Glavine is fueled more by emotion than logic. Glavine likely would be a decent (if not “great”) 4th or 5th starter on most teams. But the Mets, thankfully, have a relative wealth of good or promising starters for next year, and therefore I think we can afford to dump his attitude and Atlanta pedigree.
As for him finally learning how to adapt to the Qwestec strike zone, it’s too little and way too late as far as I’m concerned. He’s 30-40 in his three seasons with the Mets. Opposing batters are hitting .295 against him this year. As worrisome as his inconsistent control and focus is, I’d rather go with the much younger Zambrano as a fifth starter. I’d be relatively happy with a 2006 starting rotation of:
Pedro
Benson
Seo
Trachsel (assuming he’ll come back)
Zambrano or Petit
Id be happy with either zambrano or glavine as a 5th. I think if we had one of those rotations, it gives us a chance to win every time out unlike this year with ishii getting the ball every 5th day.
I hope Seo is the real deal. Im just a lil concerned. He went down to the minors, developed some pitches and now he came up and these teams never saw his new pitches. I guess what im tryin to say is, im a lil curious to see how he does when he faces these teams a 2nd and 3rd time. He’s got an ERA under 2….he cant be that good…or can he?
If Randolph didn’t know that Looper could not get lefties out, why did he use Koo in this game?
Guys, guys, guys. Glavine is not going anywhere. He has a no-trade clause, and there’s absolutely no way the Mets should or will pay him to pitch elsewhere. He’ll be a fantastic fourth starter next year. With Pedro, Benson, Glavine, Seo, and Zambrano/Trachsel, the Met rotation is in good shape. But if we could upgrade our #2 starter, we would really be scary.
If Glavine is “garbage”, then how is his record 10-12 with such a mediocre offense that’s prone to God-awful slumps? Give him run support and the guy will win 15 games. Simple as that. With the exception of his first year, Tommy has been solid and has gotten the job done for the most part. Not great, not Cy Young, but solid. He’s not garbage, fellow Met fans.
Sure, Glavine today isn’t nearly as dominant as the Glavine of the Atlanta Braves. But as Ricardo pointed out, Glavine will be a good #4 starter who can chew up 200 innings. We definitely need to find a #2 starter to support Pedro, who seems to be burned out now. I’d be burned out too if I had to watch Looper&Friends find a way to blow the game each time I pitched.
Postseason analysis (although I have no idea why I’m even mentioning this now)- Tommy is horrid in the LDS (3-3, 5.15 ERA), spotty in the LCS (5-9, 3.41 ERA), and great during the WS (4-3, 2.47 ERA). Actually, his entire postseason record is comporable to a whole season pitched: in 32 starts, Tom’s 12-15 with a 3.58 ERA in 201.3 IP. I think that, if Tommy is with us next year, and the Mets go to the postseason, he could be a valuable asset if we needed a solid pitcher in a pinch (like when Bobby Jones pitched in Game 4, or Rusch’s relief appearances in the NLCS). In a tight game, it could go either way with him.
PSSSSSSSSSSSSttttttt dont u feel stupid. Glavine finishes 13-13.